featuring the surname Thornsberry,
Thornsborough, Thornburgh, etc., and the
related lines of early American ancestors beginning with eastern
Kentucky to their European origins
Fulk V was Count of Anjou 1109-1129 and King of Jerusalem 1131-1143 and married Melisande, daughter of Baldwin II, King of Jerusalem on 2 June 1129 when he was 40 years old. Born too late to be Ivo's brother if these dates are correct, but he was the only Fulk who was King of Jerusalem. Perhaps Ivo was the son of Fulk III, aka Nerra, who did make three journeys to Palestine and had a son Fulk IV who was born abt 1045. Ivo's nephew in this case would have been Fulk V who son Geoffrey of Anjou married Matilda, daughter of Henry I of England (1100-1135).
William the Conqueror was also illegitimate, the
son of Robert 6th Duke of Normandy from 1028 to 1035. His mother was a peasant
named Arlotte of Normandy. Robert died in the Crusades which made William the
7th Duke of Normandy as a child in 1036. According to Hereward the Wake, Ivo de
Tailleboise saved William the Conqueror's life at the Battle of Hastings in 1066
when an arrow shot by Hereward the Wake went through William's shield and pinned
it to his breast. After this battle, which made William the King of
England, William made Ivo the Earl of Holland in Lincolnshire, and the first
Baron of Kendal, and gave Ivo a lot of land in England which had been Earl
Algar's and should have been Earl Edwin's or Morcar's. One of Ivo's two wives
was Lucia of Mercia born abt 1040 in Mercia, given to Ivo as a war prize after
the Battle in 1066. (Ivo said "I have her father's lands, why not have the
daughter too?"). She was the daughter of Thorold, an Englishman who was Lord of
Spaulding in Lincolnshire. Lucia had one child, a daughter named Lucia, who
married twice but has no living descendants today. Ivo died in 1094 or
1097.
From "Hereward, the Wake" Volume II,
Chapter XXI, page 1: "A proud man was Ivo de Tailleboise as he rode next morning
out of Spalding Town with a hawk on his fist, hound at heel, and a dozen
men-at-arms at his back...An adventurer from Anjou, brutal, ignorant, and
profligate, low-borne too...valiant he was, cunning, and skilled in war. Called
'thou old butcher' by King William, he and his group of Angevin rutters had
fought like tigers by William's side at Hastings".
The Thornsboroughs and Thornsberrys and all other variations of
the name are descended from Ivo's other wife Gendreda, Countesse of Warwick,
daughter of Aelfgar a.k.a. Eadgar, the King of Mercia and his wife Godiva. This
pedigree was verified in 1762 by a Mr Curwen, an emissary of the King of
England, because of the Thornsborough's relationship through marriage to the
Kings of England. My line of Thornsboroughs was the second branch to come to
America, descendants of two brothers, Charles and Richard, who left England for
Ireland because of being disinherited for joining the Quaker Church after
hearing George Fox preach there in Kendal, (the Thornsborough family was loyal
Catholics for centuries). Charle's Quaker grandchildren arrived via Ireland to
Pennsylvania (Thornsbury Pennsylvania near Philadelphia), and their Quaker
desendants came to New Garden Monthly Meeting, Guilford Co., NC. This is where
John Thornsborough got disinherited when he married out of the Quaker faith to
Suzannah Starnes. John and Suzannah moved to eastern Kentucky in the late
1700's.That's how Thornsberrys came to Kentucky.
"For inquire, I pray thee, of the former age and prepare thyself to the search of their fathers, for we are but of yesterday." Job 8:8-10
I say
When night
has fallen on your loneliness
And the deep
wood beyond the ruined wall
Seems to step
forward swiftly with the dusk
You shall
remember them. You shall not see
Water or
wheat or axe-mark on the tree
And not
remember them.
You shall not win without
remembering them,
For they won every
shadow of the moon,
All the vast shadows,
and you shall not lose
Without a dark
remembrance of their loss
For they lost
all and none remembered them.
Stephen Vincent Bene't
Due to the volume of information, and the increasing
number of requests for information that I have compiled regarding my ancestors,
please find below a list of gedcom files, broken out by family names, which you
are welcome to download to assist you with your
personal research. Publication of this material without permission
is prohibited. Corrections of this material with citation of sources is
welcome. Sincerely, Deborah Thornsbury Keser.
My warmest regards to Wade Englund, who unselfishly donated his time and talents to publish the original web page that got me on the internet, and to the many talented ('Art Today' and 'Windy's') who freely offered the beautiful graphics used at this site, and to all who support free genealogy sites on the internet.
A little about me: I am a registered nurse, raised in
Iowa, married to a physician raised in Turkey. I work full time. Hobbies:
genealogy and tole painting. I started doing genealogy when I was 16 when I
wrote to and got three generations of ancestors from Landel Thornsberry in
Kentucky. Why genealogy? Because soon after my grandpa John M. Thornsberry died
when I was eleven, I had dreams of him where I saw him in the Next Life. He was
happy in a beautiful place green with plants and flowers of all kinds,
standing with a few relatives, all wearing white robes. Grandpa told me very
earnestly, putting his hands on my shoulders in the dream, "Deborah, listen very
carefully. These are your people, and we need you to do this." "This" that he
spoke of was genealogy.